The pages listed below are bits and pieces of information we hope you find useful.


The issue of privacy is an ongoing and somewhat controversial issue for genealogists. While much of the information is available from public sources, some of it may be communicated in confidence, or taken from private records. In any case, there is little reason for us as amateur genealogists to contribute to the growing problem of identity theft.

Some genealogy sites have adopted a practice of not including any data that is less than 100 years old. Others have adopted a cut-off date of the last publically available U.S. Census (currently 1930). However, it is my opinion that a sharp cut-off is an over-reaction.

It is thus the policy of this genealogy topic that we will suppress all information on any living individual — there is no specific cut-off year. Certain other details stored in our data are also not included, even for deceased individuals. This convention is also used by many other on-line genealogies, including commercial sites. (I'm waffling on supplying the names of living individuals, so for now these are also hidden.)

The only exceptions to this are the mention of Brad and Pam within these ancilliary pages, and the references to our immediate families that we deem acceptable on the rest of this site.

Hopefully, we won't let anything fall through the cracks. However, mistakes do happen so if anyone notices living persons represented in this genealogy topic beyond Pam and Brad, please let us know.

Our Databases

This site represents the family trees of both Brad and Pam. To make our research easier, they are researched and maintained as separate trees, but are shown as one family genealogy.

Brad and Pam's Ancient Family Connection

While doing this research we have found at least one point where our two families connect other than the obvious connection of our own marriage. However, this site does not currently provide links between the trees.

The connection isn't a common ancestor, so technically we're not cousins of any degree; we are related only by marriage. Still, we find the fact that our (extended) families crossed paths almost three centuries ago to be interesting. The connection is:

Famous/Infamous Relations

A general truism about genealogy is that if you go back far enough, you will find yourself related to everyone else (such as the connection between Pam and Brad's families outlined above). While the practical limit of genealogical research is generally limited to a few centuries at most, within that time you can still find an amazing set of connections to other people.

Moreover, some recent studies suggest that the most recent common ancestor (that is, the most recently living individual who is a direct ancestor for everyone) for all of Europe may have been alive a mere 1000-1500 years ago. Note that this is not proved by any means — it is a statistical analysis.

Royal Ancestors

Among the famous ancestors, finding a royal ancestor is often considered a high point of researching one's family. However, such a discovery is no big deal, at least for most English-speaking peoples. The lack of a real caste system in England allowed for marriage between classes, and there are estimated to be MILLIONS of “ordinary” people descended directly from English royalty. Everyone else is probably at least a relative.

One just has to find the connection. We've found at least one.

Our Famous Relations

In the course of our family research, we have found many ancestors and relations (some close, some distant) who are considered famous. Some are famous within a local region, others are internationally known. These individuals are part of the genealogy we believe we can verify, and can be found through the index links on the left side of this page.

We have also found more distantly related “famous” individuals who are not (yet) found in either Pam's or Brad's trees as recorded on this site. For a bit of genealogical fun, check out this page of Famous and Infamous Relations.